Trump’s Iran War: America’s Loss Is China’s Win

The military historian Phillips O’Brien joins David Frum to discuss the fallout from the war in Iran, Russia’s stalemate with Ukraine, and Trump’s recent meeting with President Xi Jinping in China.

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